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תזונה ותוספים מה לאכול, מתי ולמה, תפריטים,אילו תוספי מזון מתאימים ועוד.. |
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הגדרות אשכול | אפשרויות הצגת נושא |
19-02-07, 19:44 | #1 |
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עודף חלבון?
מתי יכול להגרם עודף חלבון? כשאוכלים 4-5 גרם על כל קילו בגוף?
ומה הנזק בלאכול יותר מדי חלבון? |
19-02-07, 20:03 | #2 | |
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מזה הכמויות המטורפות האלו?
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מדריך חדר כושר בריאות ותזונה ,מוסמך מטעם וינגייט. |
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19-02-07, 20:45 | #3 | |
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זה אינדוידואלי לכל בנאדם זה אחרת ותלוי גם איך הוא מתאמן ואיזה תוספים עוד הוא לוקח |
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19-02-07, 20:58 | #4 | |
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כמו שציינת 4-5 גרם חלבון על כל קילו מסת גוף כבר יכול להתחיל להיות בעייתי אבל שוב לא חובה זה יכולה להשתנות וגם תלוי לכמה זמן אתה מתכוון להמשיך עם כמויות כאלה גבוהות.
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איש חכם פעם אמר: אתה לא בונה את הגוף שלך בחדר כושר, אלא במטבח. Email: shlomik@israelbody.org |
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19-02-07, 21:04 | #5 |
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Protein and Kidney Function
By Jamie Hale How many times have you heard too much protein will destroy your kidneys. This is a common statement heard when speaking of high protein diets. You would think there should be mounds of evidence indicating this. After all: my doctor or dieteiatan said so. Like many other statements concerning nutrition the above statement cannot be verified by scientific or practical study. I have known hundreds of people who consume 300-400 gms of protein a day. Guess what, no kidney problems. I have searched through a multitude of studies and spoke to numerous coaches and nutrition consultants around the world and the resounding conclusion has been the same. There is no evidence what so ever of protein intake causing kidney damage in individuals with normal renal functioning. Below is some highlights from a paper taking an in depth look at Protein and it’s effects on Kidney Function. Dietary protein intake and renal function William F Martin* 1 , Lawrence E Armstrong* Nancy R, Rodriguez Dietary protein intake can modulate renal function and its role in renal disease has spawned an ongoing debate in the literature. At the center of the controversy is the concern that habitual consumption of dietary protein in excess of recommended amounts promotes chronic renal disease through increased glomerular pressure and hyperfiltration . Media releases often conclude that, "too much protein stresses the kidney" . The real question, however, is whether research in healthy individuals supports this notion. The purpose of this paper is to review the available evidence regarding the effects of protein intake on renal function with particular emphasis on renal disease. This review will consider research regarding the role of dietary protein in chronic kidney disease, normal renal function and kidney stone formation and evaluate the collective body of literature to ascertain whether habitual consumption of dietary protein in excess of what is recommended warrants a health concern in terms of the initiation and promotion of renal disease. Chronic Kidney Disease (CKD) is defined as either kidney damage or a decline in renal function as determined by decreased glomerular filtration rate (GFR) for three or more months . It is estimated that 1 in 9 adults in the United States meet this criteria, while an additional 1 in 9 adults are at increased risk for CKD. In the general population, a decline in renal function is considered an independent risk factor for both cardiovascular disease and all-cause mortality. The relationship between dietary protein and renal function has been studied for over half a century . In 1923, Addis and Drury were among the first to observe a relationship between level of dietary protein and rates of urea excretion. Soon after, it was established that increased protein intake elevated rates of creatinine and urea excretion in the dog model. The common mechanism underlying increased excretion rates was eventually attributed to changes in GFR and Van Slyke et al. demonstrated that renal blood flow was the basis for GFR mediated changes in clearance rates in response to increased protein intake. Clearly dietary protein effects GFR , with both acute and chronic increases in protein consumption elevating GFR. Observational data from epidemiological studies provide evidence that dietary protein intake may be related to the progression of renal disease. In the Nurses' Health Study, protein intake, assessed with a semi-quantitative food frequency questionnaire, was compared to the change in estimated GFR over an 11-year span in individuals with pre-existing renal disease. Regression analysis showed an association between increased consumption of animal protein and a decline in renal function suggesting that high total protein intake may accelerate renal disease leading to a progressive loss of renal capacity. However, no association between protein intake and change in GFR was found in a different cohort of 1,135 women with normal renal function . The latter finding led the authors to conclude that there were no adverse effects of high protein intakes on kidney function in healthy women with normal renal status.
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תוספי תזונה אבקת חלבון ישראלבודי תוספי תזונה לספורטאים במחירים הזולים ביותר בישראל. תוספי תזונה במשלוח מהיר לבית הלקוח סינטרקס סיינטרקס |
19-02-07, 21:05 | #6 |
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Research by Johnson et al. , showed protein intake as a possible risk factor for progressive loss of remaining renal function in dialysis patients. Indeed, dietary protein restriction is a common treatment modality for patients with renal disease and practice guidelines exist regarding reduced dietary protein intakes for individuals with chronic renal disease in which proteinuria is present . The National Kidney Foundation (NKF) has extensive recommendations with regard to protein intake, which are a byproduct of the Dialysis Outcome Quality Initiative . Again, it is important to note that these recommendations are not indicated for individuals with normal renal function nor are they intended to serve as a prevention strategy to avoid developing CKD. Despite the clarity of these guidelines, their mere existence has resulted in concern regarding the role of dietary protein in the onset or progression of renal disease in the general population .
While the effect of hyperfiltration on renal function in those individuals with pre-existing renal disease is well documented , the application of these observations to healthy persons with normal renal function is not appropriate. To date, scientific data linking protein-induced renal hypertrophy or hyperfiltration to the initiation or progression of renal disease in healthy individuals is lacking. The possibility that protein-induced changes in renal function are a normal physiological adaptation to nitrogen load and increased demands for renal clearance is supported by changes noted in renal structure and function during pregnancy. GFR increases by as much as 65% in healthy women during pregnancy, typically returning to nonpregnant levels by three months postpartum . Despite these changes in renal function, pregnancy is not a risk factor for developing CKD. Concerns about level of dietary protein and renal function are often presented in public health guidelines. In addition to the claims that high protein intake causes renal disease, some studies have suggested that renal function may be negatively affected by routine consumption of high protein diets. Although high protein diets cause changes in renal function (i.e., increased GFR) and several related endocrine factors that may be harmful to individuals with renal disease , there is not sufficient research to extend these findings to healthy individuals with normal renal function at this time. Although the efficacy of high protein diets for weight loss has been evaluated, there have been no reports of protein-induced diminutions in renal function despite subject populations that are generally at risk for kidney disease (e.g., dyslipidemia, obesity, hypertension) A randomized comparison of the effects of high and low protein diets on renal function in obese individuals suggested that high protein diets did not present a health concern with regard to renal function their study population . In this study, 65 overweight, but otherwise healthy, subjects adhered to a low or high protein diet for six months. In the high protein group, both kidney size and GFR were significantly increased from that measured at baseline. No changes in albumin excretion were noted for either group and the authors concluded that, despite acute changes in renal function and size, high protein intake did not have detrimental effects on renal function in healthy individuals. Similar findings were recently reported by Boden et al. in a study of 10 subjects who consumed their typical diet for 7 days followed by strict adherence to a high protein diet for 14 days. No significant changes were noted in serum or urinary creatinine and albumin excretion, suggesting no ill-effects of a high protein diet on renal function. Athletes, particularly in sports requiring strength and power, consume high levels of dietary protein . In fact, many athletes habitually consume protein in excess of 2.0 g/kg/day . Supplementation with amino acids will further increase dietary protein levels in these individuals . Yet there is no evidence that this population is at greater risk for kidney disease or losses in renal function . Poortsmans and Dellalieux found that protein intakes in the range of ~1.4–1.9 g/kg/day or 170–243% of the recommended dietary allowance did not impair renal function in a group of 37 athletes. We found no data in the scientific literature to link high protein intakes to increased risk for impaired kidney function in healthy, physically active men and women. Studies that claim an increased propensity for stone formation as a result of increased protein intake should be taken at face value because propensity is a surrogate marker and does not represent actual stone formation. Further, randomized control trials have not been done to test whether an increased tendency for stone formation is enhanced with consumption of a high protein diet. Epidemiological studies provide conflicting evidence with regard to the association between protein intake and the predisposition for kidney stone formation. In a prospective study of over 45,000 men, researchers found a direct correlation between animal protein intake and risk of stone formation . However, findings in women are difficult to interpret due to conflicting reports in the literature. While some studies have shown a direct relationship between animal protein intake and risk of stone formation in women , other work suggests an inverse relationship exists ]. Conflicting findings regarding the role of dietary protein in kidney stone formation limit the development of universal guidelines with regard to a recommended protein intake for individuals at increased risk for stone formation . It is not likely that diet alone causes kidney stone formation ]. Rather, metabolic abnormalities are typically the underlying cause. For example, Nguyen et al. found that high intakes of animal protein adversely affected markers of stone formation in those afflicted with a stone causing disorder, while no changes were observed in healthy individuals. It has been suggested that one must have a preexisting metabolic dysfunction before dietary protein can exert an effect relative to stone formation . This notion has been coined the "powderkeg and tinderbox" theory of renal stone disease by Jaeger . This theory asserts that dietary excesses, such as high protein intake, serve as a tinderbox which, only in tandem with a metabolic abnormality (the powderkeg), can bring about stone formation. At the present time, however, evidence showing that a high protein intake is an inherent cause of this renal abnormality or is consistently associated with increased kidney stone formation does not exist. Conclusion Although excessive protein intake remains a health concern in individuals with pre-existing renal disease, the literature lacks significant research demonstrating a link between protein intake and the initiation or progression of renal disease in healthy individuals. More importantly, evidence suggests that protein-induced changes in renal function are likely a normal adaptative mechanism well within the functional limits of a healthy kidney. Without question, long-term studies are needed to clarify the scant evidence currently available regarding this relationship. At present, there is not sufficient proof to warrant public health directives aimed at restricting dietary protein intake in healthy adults for the purpose of preserving renal function. Below are a couple of abstracts looking at renal function and protein intake. Do regular high protein diets have potential health risks on kidney function in athletes? Poortmans JR, Dellalieux O. Department of Physiological Chemistry, Institute of Physical Education and Kinesiotherapy, Free University of Brussels, Belgium. Excess protein and amino acid intake have been recognized as hazardous potential implications for kidney function, leading to progressive impairment of this organ. It has been suggested in the literature, without clear evidence, that high protein intake by athletes has no harmful consequences on renal function. This study investigated body-builders (B and other well-trained athletes (OA) with high and medium protein intake, respectively, in order to shed light on this issue. The athletes underwent a 7-day nutrition record analysis as well as blood sample and urine collection to determine the potential renal consequences of a high protein intake. The data revealed that despite higher plasma concentration of uric acid and calcium, Group BB had renal clearances of creatinine, urea, and albumin that were within the normal range. The nitrogen balance for both groups became positive when daily protein intake exceeded 1.26 g.kg but there were no correlations between protein intake and creatinine clearance, albumin excretion rate, and calcium excretion rate. To conclude, it appears that protein intake under 2. 8 g.kg does not impair renal function in well-trained athletes as indicated by the measures of renal function used in this study
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תוספי תזונה אבקת חלבון ישראלבודי תוספי תזונה לספורטאים במחירים הזולים ביותר בישראל. תוספי תזונה במשלוח מהיר לבית הלקוח סינטרקס סיינטרקס |
19-02-07, 21:05 | #7 |
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Changes in renal function during weight loss induced by high vs low-protein low-fat diets in overweight subjects.
Skov AR, Toubro S, Bulow J, Krabbe K, Parving HH, Astrup A. Research Department of Human Nutrition, The Royal Veterinary and Agricultural University, Copenhagen, Denmark. BACKGROUND: Due to the high satiating effect of protein, a high-protein diet may be desirable in the treatment of obesity. However the long-term effect of different levels of protein intake on renal function is unclear. OBJECTIVE: To assess the renal effects of high vs low protein contents in fat-reduced diets. DESIGN: Randomized 6 months dietary intervention study comparing two controlled ad libitum diets with 30 energy (E%) fat content: high-protein (HP; 25 E%) or low-protein, (LP, 12 E% protein). All food was provided by self-selection in a shop at the department, and high compliance to the diet composition was confirmed by measurements of urinary nitrogen excretion. SUBJECTS: 65 healthy, overweight and obese (25 References Armstrong, L, Martin, W, Rodriguez, N. Dietary Protein intake and Renal Function.
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תוספי תזונה אבקת חלבון ישראלבודי תוספי תזונה לספורטאים במחירים הזולים ביותר בישראל. תוספי תזונה במשלוח מהיר לבית הלקוח סינטרקס סיינטרקס |
19-02-07, 21:06 | #8 |
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bullet בקיצור מה זה אומר?
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19-02-07, 21:21 | #9 |
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"References
Armstrong, L, Martin, W, Rodriguez, N. Dietary Protein intake and Renal Function" מסביר הכל אין מקור נאמן מספיק לא מתבסס על זה "כמחקר" |
19-02-07, 21:35 | #10 | |
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תוספי תזונה אבקת חלבון ישראלבודי תוספי תזונה לספורטאים במחירים הזולים ביותר בישראל. תוספי תזונה במשלוח מהיר לבית הלקוח סינטרקס סיינטרקס |
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19-02-07, 21:41 | #11 |
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איזה ספר מדעי זה נראה משהו ביזארי למדי , לא לוקח את זה ברצינות לפחות אני אישית ...
או לפחות עד שאני אראה את הReferences של הספר... |
19-02-07, 22:03 | #12 | |
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ציטוט:
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.co...-7075-2-25.pdf
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תוספי תזונה אבקת חלבון ישראלבודי תוספי תזונה לספורטאים במחירים הזולים ביותר בישראל. תוספי תזונה במשלוח מהיר לבית הלקוח סינטרקס סיינטרקס |
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19-02-07, 22:21 | #13 | |
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60. Allen FM, Cope OM: Influence of Diet on Blood Pressure and Kidney Size in Dogs. J Urol 1942, 47:751. עזוב אחי זה התעסקות בקקי תאכל כמויות חלבון נורמליות ולא יקרה כלום |
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19-02-07, 22:23 | #14 | |
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19-02-07, 22:25 | #15 | |
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ולא הבנתי מה מגוחך... מה רע במחקרים בחיות?
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תוספי תזונה אבקת חלבון ישראלבודי תוספי תזונה לספורטאים במחירים הזולים ביותר בישראל. תוספי תזונה במשלוח מהיר לבית הלקוח סינטרקס סיינטרקס |
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19-02-07, 22:31 | #16 |
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אם אתה בסייקל זה בסדר... אבל לא צרוך כמות גדולה כזאת באופן תמידי.
אני לדוגמא עכשיו בסייקל למשך חודש וחצי וצורך 230 גרם חלבון ביום (שוקל 65-67). עוד שבועיים מסיים אותו. |
19-02-07, 22:34 | #17 | |
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בקשר למחקרים על חיות אתה נהייה כמו נימרוד , הוא מתבסס על מחקרים שנעשו על קופים סומלים בדרום אפריקה ואחרי זה מנסה את זה על עצמו , עזוב חיות הם לא בני אדם כל המערכת שלהם שונה משלנו לא משנה גם אם זה קופים או חזיר שאלו החיות הכי קרובות לאדם מבחינה גופנית , אי אפשר להסתמך על זה בתור מחקר אלא רק כאינדיקציה או הכוונה כזו או אחרת שום דבר מעבר כמו מחקרים שנעשים בשימוש של סטרואידים על עכברים , אף בן אדם לא יתנסה במחקר סטרואידי כזה או אחר לכן עד היום אין ראייה וחוות דעת על סטרואידים. עד שלא יהיה מחקר מבוסס על גבי בני אדם לאורך זמן וטווח ארוך לגבי כמויות חלבון מטורפות או לחילופין אם איזה גאון ימצא את הגוף שלנו עובד מבחינת טינטזת חלבון רק אז תוכל לקבוע עובדות , עכשיו זה הכל מסקנות מהתעסקות בקקי זה הכל ונימרוד זה לא אישי תיודע שאני אוהב תך |
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19-02-07, 22:36 | #18 |
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אם יום אחד אוכלים כמויות כאלה זה לא מזיק נכון? פשוט אני שוקל מעט מאוד(שחיף) שותה שייק אחריהאימון...+עוף וכל זה לארוחה אחר כך, וזה כבר משהו כמו 2 גרם לכל קילו בגוף...
ועוד עם מחשבים את החלבונים הלא מלאים יוצא לי הרבה מאוד חלבון...אז רציתי לדעת מתי זה יותר מדי וכול לגרום עומס על הכליות P: סליחה על הבורות,אבל מה זה סייקל? |
19-02-07, 22:39 | #19 |
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סייקל = מחזור אם זה בתזונה או באימונים או בלקיחת חומרים מסויימים
בקשר לעומס על הכליות כמו שאתה רואה זה תלוי בבן אדם , מתאמן מקצועי יכול לאכול 3-4 גרם חלבון פר קילו ומתאמן מתחיל בכמויות כאלו יקבל חררה... לדעתי האינדקיציה הכי טובה זה בדיקת דם על ידי בדיקת פרופיל Urea בדם שזה חנקן שמפורש מסינטזת חלבון ובדרך כלל לאנשים שהפרמטר הזה היה תקין בעבר והיום כבר לא הוא מעמיס על הכליות בצורה כזו או אחרת אם זה בעומס אכילה של חלבון או במצב אחר שנוצר לו בגוף. בקשת בדיקת דם כללית אצל הרופא משפחה שלכם תביא לבדיקה של הנתון הנ"ל |
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למה אתה אומר "עד שלא יהיה..." אולי כבר יש? אולי הוא נמצא בסימוכין הללו? אתה עברת על כל המחקרים שקיימים?
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תוספי תזונה אבקת חלבון ישראלבודי תוספי תזונה לספורטאים במחירים הזולים ביותר בישראל. תוספי תזונה במשלוח מהיר לבית הלקוח סינטרקס סיינטרקס |
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